Perez: That's a design decision of Remy’s. Can I ask what you were going for when you made that decision? I’m not sure if it universalizes them or keeps them at arm’s length. The choice to make the characters anthropomorphic was interesting.

Was it important to show that even outside sex work, gender and gender expectations play a tremendous role in how we relate to one another? The handful of steady, recurring relationships displayed show how complex even basic relationships can be when something as seemingly fundamental as gender is called into question. The story has a happy ending though, because I showed it to my friend and he was like, “nice.” So I think she also felt, 'I'll show you' when she sent the new script back to me. I got the script from Michelle after rudely rejecting a first script I wasn't impressed with. Remy Boydell: My friend Carseat was rude to me, so I sat down and thought “I'll make a bestselling graphic novel, that'll show him,” and I did the first chapter in one sitting. We wanted a story that brought together our best qualities, that also included a great deal of explicit sex. We instead put out the best iteration of our concept on Mammon Machine’s ZEAL, and pitched it to Brandon Graham for Island.

We were gonna pitch a serial comic to Vice that didn’t work out. Michelle Perez: Me and Remy knew one another through a mutual friend, Francine aka “witnesstheabsurd” on Twitter. CBR: What was the spark that got The Pervert going?

The pervert by remy boydell